Pretty * sad

[Kaledren]

Yep...this game is very Pay 2 Win. SO MANY here that appear to spend hundreds, if not more on cards. The bigger wallet wins and makes it pointless for the common player.

Just had to speak my peace.

[Crixus10]

I totally agree with you.

[delta2k17]

There are many ways to play without carding, the only thing I use for carding daily is speed cards.

On the daily cards you can get enough for a 3x card every 3 or 4 days and then you time up all the vassals you have and a captain on a 3x card and boom,you destroy anyone in the game regardless if theyre carding or not

[Voltair]

You can buy cards but you cannot buy skill that is only learned in game and over time. Some players never learn it. They think cards can replace skill. Cards will only do so much but they too take skill, you need to know when to play them to maximize the benefits. Play a card at the wrong time and you've wasted it.

I've played this game since Alpha 4 and I've seen people who play it who've never bought a card, reset a card player with skill and numbers.

Friends in game count for so much more and I would take friends/allies over cards any day.

[masjidtanah]

Yep , a carder maybe can raze a few INACTIVE villages but yeah, the SKILLS is the most important , i've seen a lot of fighters that can RAZE a lot of vills and FLIP a county without any single card . A faction can be agood option since you're grouped and you can plan timed attacks very well with the other members .
BTW : The key is if you're active, then you're safe . A player attacked one of my town more than 10 attacks with cards but still failed coz i've always on and repair the castle + good castle building skill .

[dsds212011]

Yup totally pay to win. You can join a faction of course. But then it's not the same. Carders are in fact invincible. Yes you can time an attack with your faction and take any village. But they will card another village in a matter of days whereas your faction probably spend over 100 cats to destroy that village (remember, stone structures card). It's a war of attrition where they have unlimited resources to rebuild, defend. Eventually you will run out of cats.

Most people are smart and they don't attack a carder who is either online or has carded their castles for defense. This is true even if you are in a faction. They cannot concentrate on one carder and waste all resources on that person, so it forces them to attack offline.

There is skill, but carding does replace skill. However there is also some skills that non carders will never get to learn (eg.how to use cards effectively as they don't get enough if they don't pay). I don't see skill as important as cards or enough online time. So it's either money or online time that makes you successful.

I know that money pays for the games (I have no problems about that), but just gets me angry that so many people deny that it is pay to win.
It is a great game, just don't lie about this obvious fact. I still enjoy even with the heavy carders.

It is only logical that it is pay to win, otherwise why would people put money into it. There's no special graphics or additions to the game that people can buy, so that only makes your success in the game for sale. You cannot deny this fact.

Again have no problem with this model, just be upfront about it.

[Lt.Columbo]

What with the treasure castles now you have more chances then ever before to get free cards and card points.

cough

[dsds212011]

I have a feeling that treasure castles either won't be around very long or that it will be very very rare as this will be cutting into the revenue stream. In fact it is quite rare as it stands now. Also a limit of one attack per day whether you are successful or not. I hardly think this is on par with the carders with their unrestricted use of cards or cash. Anyway I appreciate that the developers added the treasure castles. They are quite nice to attack and the prizes are good. It does help to balance the game out a bit, but still a pay to win game.

Oh yes, please tell me how to capture a carders village and have a working castle to defend that village on the same week without carding. Capture the carder's castle and use the village to attack? Are you kidding me? You would be lucky to have anything in the village to use or a working castle. The last time I captured a village from a carder online, I was left with no castle (yes not a single wall)! It took a lot of resources to take and I gained nothing. The next day he razed that captured village and already captured/built a new village with a fully functional castle (domination world).

There are carders who get defeated easily, but I don't think that's the norm. I can't imagine someone with no skills spending 1000 dollars a week or month (of course there are exception but very few?). Even timed attacks require cards. Without the use of cards, your last few timed attacks probably won't even be launched because the defender may have interdicted by that time.

You can get cards to use, but that is like a drop in the bucket compared with a carder. There's nothing wrong with that. The carders pay so we can play for free or pay very little, so obvious they will get an advantage. Just don't deny that they get one and that if they spend enough the advantage becomes so big that they will get what they want, thus the term pay to win.

There is no shame in admitting that a game is pay to win. Many people know it and still play. Just insulting that people try to hide this very obvious fact. Why not be more transparent and up front about this. I understand that this is absolutely necessary for the servers to keep running. No money equals no game, so paying players are vip, I have no problem with that. I just have a problem with others who try to hide or deny this truth.

Again this game is very addictive and fun even though it is pay to win.

[Lord Darko900]

yes playing with carder is not easy but you make them waste a lot of money just the war between h4 and h2 there was a guy with some alt account in h2 in Lancashire we made him use tons of defense cards and we didn't waste anything at all we were betting on how much money he has spent in a day


at at the end he lost because we were excoming him while offline and the new Europe world opened made him more busy we were attacking him constantly

[dsds212011]

This original post was posted quite a while ago before the treasure castles. 3 worlds with treasure castles a day would hardly count as leveling the playing field with the carders. They can probably do at least 10 times that amount if they wanted to. Although, not many would spend that amount of cash to play but you could and that is the definition of pay to win. Please also keep in mind that the carders have access to these treasure castles too. You may be gaining 3 wheel spins, but they can also gain 3 wheel spins plus whatever they buy.

There is nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on the game which pays for server maintenance etc., I guess he/she can dominate the county or whatever they want to do for next couple of days or the week.

If heavy carders get nothing or get easily defeated even though they are slapping down bills left and right, do you think they will continue to pay? No, so logically from a business perspective, they have to gain a significant advantage to entice the user to keep paying right?

Again I am not saying the game is bad because of it. If you guys admit that it is a pay to win game, won't change my mind about anything. I will continue to play regardless. I just want to be transparent and upfront about this game. I noticed that no one has denied that it is a pay to win game, so maybe my point already got through.

And yes it is fun to make someone spend a lot of money because you know what cards they play and how rare they are. But in the end, you know if they wanted to, they can own you if you decide not to put down any money in the fight and they continue to put money down. The only reason why non paying users beat a heavy carder, is because the carder decided that way. (in the example, he was more interested in the europe world as probably most of his friends left the world that you guys were fighting in, and as stated you attacked him offline). I do have to admit, if you are causing the carder some headaches, they may just go find another county that is easier to take over.