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freewill wrote:
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Why are you guys complaining about this? The
Don't mind paying for the game, I spent money on it as well with premium accounts and even used a little left over for cards. Money is not the issue. Money being a factor in gameplay is the issue, big difference.


What people are trying to say, is not that buying cards dosen't give you an advantage, but that SHK is not a one on one game.

Yes, 2 equal players with the same resources the one who pays more will win.

But in SHK, that is not how the game work, it's all about team effort and cordination.
Work together with your faction house is the most important thing on the game. More than carding.

Sure if you get a faction of big carders that work together, they are going to kick *.. But I never saw that happen.. And I doubt it would last, cause of the cost and probable egos..


Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:06 am
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PaladinoRR wrote:
freewill wrote:
FC_Groningen wrote:
Why are you guys complaining about this? The
Don't mind paying for the game, I spent money on it as well with premium accounts and even used a little left over for cards. Money is not the issue. Money being a factor in gameplay is the issue, big difference.


What people are trying to say, is not that buying cards dosen't give you an advantage, but that SHK is not a one on one game.

Yes, 2 equal players with the same resources the one who pays more will win.

But in SHK, that is not how the game work, it's all about team effort and cordination.
Work together with your faction house is the most important thing on the game. More than carding.

Sure if you get a faction of big carders that work together, they are going to kick *.. But I never saw that happen.. And I doubt it would last, cause of the cost and probable egos..


Have you visited W5?


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freewill wrote:
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For the folks who call this a pay2win game....what exactly does it mean to "win"?

Sure, you can pay to be at the top of the leaderboard, but so what, that is not winning. In my opinion, being at the top of the leaderboard is meaningless, so what's the big deal.

Spend less time complaining about the carders, and more time trying to make allies and organize those around you into a coherent group that works together, and I assure you, you will have greater success in the game and you'll enjoy it a lot more as well.


Pay2win is a generic term for games that sell advantages. If all else is equal, the person who pays the most will win, because they are buying the advantage.


I know what pay2win means. What I'm asking is how do you define "win" in this game. Like I said, if you define being at the top of the leaderboard as winning then yes, you're right, it's pay2win, but since it is obvious that being at the top of the leaderboard requires very little skill and only deep pockets, I don't think that's how most people measure success in this game.

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I EAT HONOR AND CARDS ,,, tip to the wise.....The best way to dominate pay2play people is have them spend cards and honor on you non stop to level up just got attacked over 150 times now I take his milkshake :)

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I know what pay2win means. What I'm asking is how do you define "win" in this game. Like I said, if you define being at the top of the leaderboard as winning then yes, you're right, it's pay2win, but since it is obvious that being at the top of the leaderboard requires very little skill and only deep pockets, I don't think that's how most people measure success in this game.


If you know what pay2win means, then why are you asking me for a win condition as if that is what is important in determining pay2win?

You are paying for an advantage over other players. That can translate out to any number of personal goals. From being at the top of the leaderboards, to simply having the ability to attack and beat another player.

All you are trying to say is that "winning" is not important. Not really true. On the one hand I had very little inclination that I would someday be king, likely not even sheriff of a county. However, that shouldn't be because someone else paid for it, it should be for any number of the other reasons why I wouldn't have made it legitimately, such as people who are just plain out better than me.

That people refuse to acknowledge and admit pay2win when present will be what keeps this business model active, which is like a disease on all of gaming as it will eventually remove legitimate competitive gaming.


Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:09 pm
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Some of those people might of been playing for whenever they brought cards in, so they could have been saving cards up for new worlds :P.

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So is the player who spends money on the game once in a blue moon just as guilty of having an unfair advantage as the player who spends as if he or she has a fat, bottomless purse?

From what some here have said here, that is the conclusion I have drawn from the respective arguments.


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Admitting that people who pay gain an advantage is an easy concession to make. Anyone who won't admit it is just being absurd on purpose or likely doesn't understand the larger picture.

With that being said, making a claim that it shouldn't be present is equally absurd, or perhaps misunderstood. It can be a free MMO if that is the way you choose to play. If you elect to pay, then yes, you will gain an advantage, which will have an impact on the game and its ultimate outcome. Defining what that advantage is, or is not, is a whole other conversation.

Of course Firefly is attempting to make a buck from its playerbase. As a player, you are enticed to spend that buck with the lure of gaining an advantage with the ultimate goal of "winning", whatever that is.

Why?

Does anyone think this game was truly created to be free and Firefly did it out of the goodness of their heart for the betterment of gaming and its players?

I do not think that. I would imagine Firefly has to pay its employees and profit for their shareholders to stay in existence.

Stating that this business model will continue if the masses don't rise up is simply not true. This business model will cease to exist with a revolution by its player base.

So yes, the individual paying larger amounts toward the game will have some undefined advantage in making king, sheriff, steward, or being stronger, etc over the individual who does not make as large of payments, or none at all.

Each individual has to make their choice of how they want to play based on the conditions present. This particular component of the game will not, and cannot change. It canot change because this component is what allows it's very existence in the first place.

Just some new guy's thoughts. :shock:


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It's perfectly fine for people to pay for the game. I paid for the game myself. Bought a premium account, even used the left over crowns to buy cards, get more cards due to the bonuses from it, etc.

The issue is not people spending money. The devs gotta get paid, it's not a charity game, nor would I want it to be. When the devs are getting paid, the game can improve, we all benefit.

The issue is when the spending of money itself directly affects the gameplay. When the money making mechanisms are stomping on the quality of the gameplay - BIG PROBLEM. And pay2win, pay for an advantage, or whatever you want to call it does exactly that.

Look at a game like league of legends. It's free to play, yet there are plenty of things you can pay for and the game makes money that way. Although some complain about new characters being too strong, those characters are available for free as well, you can just bypass that with cash. But the main reason that system is ok is because the money making isn't stepping all over the gameplay. You can not spend a dime and be on the same level as people who pay. And I do pay for the bonuses they provide, and I've been a paying customer for years now.

That's the difference.


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I find this stream and argument rediculous. If you are complaining that your ability to enjoy the game is ruined by those who take advantage using money. Life is all about finding ways to better oneself in every aspect some chose an easier course others work hard and or smarted to better themselves and as always there will be those that but there way to the top. It has been that way since the bgining of man and is still used in the world of politics, business, and society today. If you want a game like Life ie any simulation game including this one then you have to expect that and figure out how you fit and get along. If not then don't play any game with another Human Being because it will always be that in some manner of speaking.

On short that is Life deal with it one way or another and quit whining. :D


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