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So i have a few questions about certain research im not sure about, good strategies for and general usage advice would be great, in as much detail as you would like to provide, thanks.

the first one is
Vaults-increases the time taken to pillage your villages
Im guessing that means you have more time to kill the attacking army? but doesnt that mean they also have more time to pillage?
Is this worth researching? i take it to include gold as well as all other resources so that must be some benefit.

the second is
Pillaging-increases the amount of resources that can be pillaged
This is kind of the reverse angle, kind of the same questions as well, and is it worth researching, i plan on being more militaristic but i cant see the benefits of stealing when it costs to make troops and i can make pretty much everything myself, other than being really annoying to my enemies.

the third and final is
Ransacking-increase the number of building that can be ransacked
I take it to mean building that are destroyed, is it worth it? i can see the benefit of destroying building and having to make the enemy build them again so id say so, any thoughts?

thank you all in advance.


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So i have a few questions about certain research im not sure about, good strategies for and general usage advice would be great, in as much detail as you would like to provide, thanks.

the first one is
Vaults-increases the time taken to pillage your villages
Im guessing that means you have more time to kill the attacking army? but doesnt that mean they also have more time to pillage?
Is this worth researching? i take it to include gold as well as all other resources so that must be some benefit.


You are correct and for this reason some people see Vaults as an 'anti skill' that hurts you more than helps. It is useful to prevent pillaging attacks (both from the AI and other players), but many people choose to essentially ignore pillaging attacks as they don't really do you much harm in the long run.

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Pillaging-increases the amount of resources that can be pillaged
This is kind of the reverse angle, kind of the same questions as well, and is it worth researching, i plan on being more militaristic but i cant see the benefits of stealing when it costs to make troops and i can make pretty much everything myself, other than being really annoying to my enemies.


Again you're correct, although pillaging inactive opponents can give you a lot of goods relative to the honour cost.

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the third and final is
Ransacking-increase the number of building that can be ransacked
I take it to mean building that are destroyed, is it worth it? i can see the benefit of destroying building and having to make the enemy build them again so id say so, any thoughts?.


Ransacking attacks can be devastating to high level opponents, and are very hard to defend against, so for this reason the skill is useful if you plan on doing high-level PvP.


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Endless7 wrote:
So i have a few questions about certain research im not sure about, good strategies for and general usage advice would be great, in as much detail as you would like to provide, thanks.

the first one is
Vaults-increases the time taken to pillage your villages
Im guessing that means you have more time to kill the attacking army? but doesnt that mean they also have more time to pillage?
Is this worth researching? i take it to include gold as well as all other resources so that must be some benefit.

the second is
Pillaging-increases the amount of resources that can be pillaged
This is kind of the reverse angle, kind of the same questions as well, and is it worth researching, i plan on being more militaristic but i cant see the benefits of stealing when it costs to make troops and i can make pretty much everything myself, other than being really annoying to my enemies.

the third and final is
Ransacking-increase the number of building that can be ransacked
I take it to mean building that are destroyed, is it worth it? i can see the benefit of destroying building and having to make the enemy build them again so id say so, any thoughts?

thank you all in advance.



Vaults - Worth it
Pillage - Worth it
Ransack - Worth it

Pillage - Let me play out some scenarios. H1 member forgets to ID. You've got a vassal packed with troops.
SEND IT AT THEM SON! Watch as you get abusive mails because you stole 90% of their weapons, stockpile, food, banquet goods and ale.

Ransacking is good for players who just won't leave. You want to get rid of them, the best way is to raze them or ransack their village to a dot.

Vaults are good because normally with a decently defended castle you get more time to take out the enemy forces before they leave with your junk.


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thank you everyone for your input, im starting to see your points.


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vaults are a double edged sword. Yes it will take longer for your enemies to get any goods out of you; but, pillaging attacks are usually used as a precursor to a capture or raze attack and used to soften you up, clear archers, punch holes in walls so you end up giving them more time to hammer away at you before the attack ends. So each successive attack becomes more devastating to you and leaves you more vulnerable.

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And why use the pillage attack you might ask when you could do vandalize. The answer is pillaging is just plain cheaper and William does have somewhat of a point.

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Pillaging is mostly used for breaker waves to clear the way for captain to raze/capture. because if you use vandalize on a breaker wave on a complete castle. your going to lose everything you sent. if you use pillage or ransack you can usually save most/all of your catapults and some troops.


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I used ransacks for when someone is online or I'm frustrated with them IDing instantly. It's a mini-raze. Like everyone else has said about vaults though is pretty much true. You're letting someone knock away at you longer and they have a chance of getting away with some of your goodies. Some people JUST want to pillage you, and in those cases having vaults is a good thing. You can't switch it off though so once you got it, you got it.


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Vaults are awesome. You can feel safe for your goods when you have those maxed. However you should not be bothered with it until you get to duke-prince.
Pillaging - good to have, many players' economics depends on how much they steal. You may want to get it to 50% or max it out asap, but when you encounter someone with vaults be ready to lose your army lol. Sometimes used as a way to get a report on unscoutable castle, low percentage pillage(1-5%) that is.
Ransacking - pure fun. No economical benefit but if someone upset you ransack 20-30 his buildings and it will hurt. You need 4-8 points in there to make it worthwhile. You destroy random number of buildings up to the amount you have researched. The more developed village is the more buildings you will most likely destroy with ransack attack. Grinding peanuts will give you 1-2 buildings per ransack which is just not worth it. Royal flash here is cathedral and siege workshop in one attack :D

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